Five Arguments For and Against the Existence of God and Their Equivalents Concerning Jamie Moyer as a Hall of Famer
One thing that is true about the blogosphere, and one of its greatest things overall, is the fact that you can find a list for just about any topic. This is the parlance of Listverse, which is honestly one of the best sites anywhere. This is why we here at Dubsism have a long history of comparing an incredible non-sports entry from Listverse and comparing it to something from the sporting world.
Another thing which is true about the blogosphere is that it is the express train from the sublime to the ridiculous. That brings us to our Jamie Moyer for the Hall of Fame campaign. Now that the clock for Moyer’s eligibility for induction into Cooperstown is ticking, it is time for one of those comparisons so that you can decide where on that spectrum this campaign resides.
As you contemplate what is likely the last Dubsism Moyer-o-Meter, peruse this list about arguments on the existence of God, and see how they really do compare favorably to the debate as Moyer as a Hall of Famer.
For the first time since Ronald Reagan’s first term as president, spring training has opened without Jamie Moyer in somebody’s camp.
Every spring since 1984, Jamie Moyer was toeing the slab for a major or minor league squad. But at age 50, this might finally be the end of the road. Last year at this time, Moyer was considered an important component of the Colorado Rockies starting rotation. At first, Moyer pitched well in Denver; he became the oldest pitcher to post a major league win. Moyer posted a 2-5 mark with a 5.70 ERA in 10 starts before the Rockies designated him for assignment.
After Colorado, Moyer signed with the Baltimore Orioles, who assigned him to Triple-A Norfolk. The trouble came when after Moyer pitched well in the minors, it became clear the Orioles weren’t committed to calling up Moyer for their play-off run. steam),” said Moyer. That prompted Moyer to ask for his release, which the Orioles granted.
The next stop for the Moyer train was signing with the Toronto Blue Jays, who then assigned him to their Triple-A affiliate in Las Vegas. Things didn’t go so well in Las Vegas; in two starts Moyer got lit up for He allowed 17 hits, including three home runs, in 11 innings. His stint in Las Vegas ended with Moyer tallying one win, one loss, and an 8.18 ERA. This time, Moyer didn’t have to ask for his release.
The good news for those of us here at Dubsism who intend to milk this Moyer thing for every goddamn drop: Jamie Moyer is extending his farewell tour. The bad news for baseball fans? It will come not on the mound, but in the fairways and sand traps of the greater Reno-Tahoe area.
Last Friday, Moyer accepted an invitation to play in this week’s American Century Championship at South Lake Tahoe. Moyer also played in the celebrity golf tournament last year. In a year which has found Moyer on an epic saga through the major and minor leagues; a season in which Moyer became the oldest pitcher to win a game in MLB history now sees him hitting from the tips with other sports luminaries such as Michael Jordan, Charles Barkley, , Marshall Faulk, Jerry Rice, Emmitt Smith, Shane Battier, Alex Smith, Urban Meyer, Ryan Fitzpatrick, and Miles Austin.
Jason Kidd will also be there, but due to his current legal situation, he will not be allowed to drive the carts.
Last Thursday, Jamie Moyer made his debut for Triple-A Las Vegas and he notched a win. Wins are huge, especially in Las Vegas, but let’s be honest. Moyer’s trip to the shadow of the “Strip” is a gamble for both the elder statesman of active baseballers and the Toronto Blue Jays.
At age 49, Moyer is still chasing the dream; the same one being chased by guys in his very own clubhouse…guys who odds-on may have father younger than Moyer. We all know the story…at 49 years old, he made the miraculous comeback from Tommy John surgery to become the oldest pitcher to ever win a game in the majors. But the Rockies released him in May, then in June he requested his release from the Orioles system after they declined to call him up after three starts for Triple-A Norfolk.
Now, we may be at the end of the “Viva Las Vegas” chapter of the on-going Moyer saga. Moyer signed with the Blue Jays, and was subsequently assigned to Triple-A Las Vegas for what was essentially a two-game tryout to see if he can help the MASH unit formerly known as the Blue Jays’ injury-riddled rotation.
Thursday, Moyer notched his second career Pacific Coast League win and oddly enough, they both took place at Cheney Stadium in Tacoma. His first was a rehab start for the Seattle Mariners in 1997, and his second was last Thursday. While Moyer got the win, he wasn’t exactly what you would call “dominant,” allowing three runs over five innings. But he was also never really in trouble, and he kept his team in the game during his time on the mound.
But in his second hand at the Vegas pitching table, the cards were not so kind. Last night, Moyer was shelled for seven runs over six innings, and he took a 7-3 loss at Reno.
Now, after the two-game “try-out,” the Blue Jays have a decision to make. On one hand, Moyer is a veteran who has shown flashes of being an effective major-league pitcher during this tumultuous up-and-down season, and as previously mentioned, the Blue Jays staff looks like Omaha Beach the day after D-Day. On the other, they could cut a guy loose who has surrendered ten runs in his eight innings as a Vegas 51, and seven in his last two. Granted Moyer started strong, but he definitely dropped off in his last two innings last night, when Cole Gillespie’s three-run shot highlighted a four-run fifth, and Jake Elmore’s two-run single capped a three-run sixth.
Moyer has pitched in 696 major league games and 113 minor league games, but so far only three of those have been in the Pacific Coast League games. The question is will Moyer rack up any more PCL time, is he headed north of the border, or will the Moyer saga be opening at a minor-league park near you? Moyer has a total of 56 minor league wins. When Moyer was a minor leaguer coming up through the Chicago Cubs system, he played for Geneva and Pittsfield. Both teams no longer exist. Moyer reached the Triple-A Iowa Cubs in 1986. They still exist, albeit now in the Pacific Coast League as the American Association disbanded in 1998. The rest of Moyer’s minor league time came in the International League; at Rochester, Louisville, Toledo, and most recently at Norfolk.
The next question? Is there a pitching-desperate team out there who will grab up Moyer if Toronto sends him on his way? Minnesota…I’m looking at you…(wink, nudge). Let’s face it…I need the source of material.
Your Obilgatory Jamie Moyer Is Old Fact: In last night’s game, Moyer was older than both managers and all three umpires, and was 13 years older than his oldest teammate, infielder Chris Woodward.
It has been an interesting few days in our coverage of the ongoing Jamie Moyer saga here at Dubsism.
First, on Saturday Moyer seemingly put an abrupt end to his pitching career which has spanned four decades when he asked for his release from the Orioles, and his wish was granted. This came as a bit of a shock seeing as when Moyer signed a minor-league deal with the Orioles in early June, he told the club he’d make three starts at Triple-A Norfolk, and then the Orioles would have a decision to make on whether or not to promote him. In those three starts, Moyer went 1-1 with a 1.69 ERA, he gave up just 11 hits and no walks in 16 innings pitched while striking out 16. That certainly seemed to be good enough for the O’s to bring Moyer up considering the pitching woes they’ve had.
Well, not according to Orioles Vice President of Baseball Operations Dan Duquette. The Orioles, who are for the time being a contender in the AL East passed on Moyer, prompting him to ask for his release. This is how Duquette explained this to the Baltimore Sun:
Duquette said the Orioles already have two lefties in the rotation in Brian Matusz and Wei-Yin Chen, plus swingman Dana Eveland in the bullpen. And lefty Zach Britton is in Norfolk, as is right-hander Chris Tillman, who has been pitching well lately.
Uhhh, what ever you say Dan. Those four hunks of chop-meat are why you signed Moyer in the first place, but hey, it’s your funeral. Out of the guys Duquette mentioned, Chen is arguably the best, and he ain’t all that good, and Brian Matusz is threatening to be a “Kerry Wood” type model in under-realized potential. Let’s be honest, nobody really believes the Orioles can survive the AL East, especially not with the pitching staff taking on water like it has been. Let’s be even more honest, the Orioles are this season supplanting the Toronto Blue Jays in the role of the AL East’s “Little Engine That Thinks It Can,” except Toronto realized that its pitching staff is imploding faster Oprah Winfrey’s latest diet plan, and they saw value in Moyer.
That’s right…say hello to your newest Toronto Blue Jay, Jamie Moyer.
Last night in Boston, the Blue Jays lost their fourth starter in two weeks when Henderson Alvarez left the game in the sixth inning with right elbow soreness. The MASH unit formerly known as the Blue Jays pitching staff has also seen Brandon Morrow, Kyle Drabek, and Drew Hutchison sidelined with arm issues.
To that end, the Jays have made two moves this morning. First, they recalled pitcher Scott Richmond from the minors and he is expected to join the team tonight in in Boston and pitch out of the bullpen for the time being. The Jays also signed Moyer this morning, but before he gets a steady diet of Molson and back bacon, he will be assigned to Toronto’s Triple-A affiliate in Las Vegas, with no timetable having been established at this point as to when Moyer will join the big league club.
Your Jamie Moyer Fact of the Day: If Moyer makes the Blue Jays 25-man major league roster, he will be teammates with the 45-year old Omar Vizquel, who this season became the became the oldest player to start a game at shortstop for Toronto.
So pass the Geritol and take off, ya hoser.
Last Saturday, Moyer made his debut with the Norfolk Tides, the Triple-A affiliate of the Baltimore Orioles.
He dominated. In five innings, Moyer allowed only a single while notching his first minor league win in almost twenty years. One measly hit, no walks, and five strikeouts.
Last night, Jamie Moyer pitched well in his second of three promised starts for Norfolk. Moyer took the loss as he was topped by Toledo’s Jacob Turner in a 3-2 loss. He allowed three runs, two earned, on seven hits. Moyer threw 103 pitches, 66 strikes, and went to a three-ball count just four time. He struck out seven, despite pitching between 81 and 73, using an arsenal he himself humorously refers to as “slop.” The Tides’ official Twitter feed posted that Moyer had yet to throw a pitch over 82 mph at the time of his seventh strikeout in the fifth inning.
Don’t be surprised to see Moyer up with the big club soon. Baltimore signed Moyer hoping he could add something to a shaky pitching staff. Couple that with the fact the Orioles reinserted Tommy Hunter into the starting rotation Saturday, and the fact they have moved the struggling Jake Arrieta to the bullpen, it becomes quite possible the next time the O’s need a fifth starter Moyer gets the call.
But that’s not the fun part. How can it not be when we are talking about a 49-year old guy pitching in the minor leagues?
Just look back at all the names on this Norfolk team. We’ve mentioned before the Tides boast former All-Stars Miguel Tejada, and Nate McLouth, not to mention Brian Roberts who just returned to the big club; plus respectable former major-leaguers Joel Pineiro, J.C. Romero, and Bill Hall. There’s even not-so-respectable ex-big leaguers like Oscar Villarreal, Pat Neshek, and Lew Ford. Even the managerail staff includes skipper Ron Johnson, hitting coach Denny Walling, and pitching coach Mike Griffin.
But the gem in all of this: before last night’s game, Moyer took it upon himself to hassle the coach who was pitching batting practice for the opposition.
“Throw strikes,” Moyer shouted toward former teammate Leon “Bull” Durham (from 1986-1988 the two played together for the Chicago Cubs). Moyer went on to follow his own advice as he displayed exceptional command and didn’t walk a batter.
While he has been down on the farm, Moyer has been approached by teammates, coaches, and even opponents all of whom are seeking the secrets to pitching and fending off the ravages of age. Given that, it should come as no surprise that Moyer was asked during a post-game press conference what can he teach the Tides? To paraphrase, Moyer explained the secret to pitching can’t be given away, it must be observed; it lies in a combination of every batter’s swing and every pitcher’s arsenal, none of which are the same. But the beauty came from the fact that Moyer saw the question coming at cut off the questioner mid-sentence with the beginning of his answer.
There’s still hope that we may not have to retire the Moyer-o-meter quite yet. After all, the six regular readers of Dubsism (thank God for internet access at state hospitals) know that this blog has been your home for all things Jamie Moyer since his days on the bump for the Phillies. In all honesty, even we had to admit it looked like the end of the road after the Rockies released him after going 2-5 with a 5.70 ERA in Colorado. But on Wednesday, Moyer got a shot at a new life when the Baltimore Orioles signed Moyer to a minor-league deal.
He will report to the Norfolk Tides, and Moyer will start Saturday night against the Buffalo Bisons.
First, as is now required by federal law, all posts about Jamie Moyer now must include a Gene Rayburn-esque “Moyer is the oldest major leaguer to _____.” Again, our six incarcerated readers already know these, but the law is the law. So far this year, Moyer set a major league record by becoming the oldest pitcher to win a game, drive in a run, and score a run. When he pitched May 21 at Miami, Marlins Park became the 50th MLB stadium in which he has appeared, which is a record for any player since 1900.
If he makes it back to the bigs, Moyer reclaims his post as the major league’s active leader in wins (269), strikeouts (2,441), innings pitched (4,074) and games started (638). Granted, a minor-league deal, means there is no guarantee he will get a shot to add to those totals, but with the Orioles’ pitching staff struggling recently (note the struggle Brain Matusz had the other night), it’s not exactly a long-shot Moyer pitches for Baltimore for a second time. Moyer posted a record of 25-22 with a 4.41 ERA in 75 games for Baltimore from 1993 to 1995.
The reality is the Orioles have a pitching staff that ranks 23rd in baseball in quality starts (26). The o’s are also in the midst opf the AL East race right now, but they won’t stay there unless something gets done to shore up the pitching staff. It’s pretty clear the O’s know this as they already have veteran moundsmen Joel Pineiro and Dontrelle Willis currently pitching in extended spring training with designs on bringing them up to Norfolk in the near future. .
Naturally, Orioles general manager Dan Duquette offered the expected sound bites on this signing:
On the signing of Jamie Moyer to a minor league deal: “Jamie Moyer is a veteran pitcher and he has been a winning pitcher and we are going to see if he can help us. He is going to take a couple starts at Triple-A, and if he can do well, he then will be in a position where we can put him on the ballclub.”
More on Moyer: “He is not that far removed from (Tommy John) surgery, so there is a chance he could regain his previous form by continuing to pitch. A lot of veteran pitchers sometimes it takes a little bit longer to get into the length of the season until they come around. We’ll see if that is the case. But Jamie has won a lot of games. He’s a good role model and has had some success.”
On Moyer’s timeline: “A couple weeks, a couple of starts and if he is doing well ….”
On whether there is an opt-out in the contract: “We agreed to give it a few starts. He’s a veteran player and he’ll know. And if he can help us, he can help us.”
Make of that what you will, but the fact is the O’ s pitching staff is in the middle of the American League pack and sinking in terms of team ERA, WHIP, batting average against, and earned runs allowed.
Now for the fun part.
It certainly seems as if the O’s believe they need some veteran presence to go along with their slew of youngsters, and not just with the pitchers. Stop to consider the pseudo-irony in the fact the Norfolk’s roster on Saturday’s “Star Wars” night in Buffalo will include a slew of ex-big league All-Stars Brian Roberts, Miguel Tejada, and Nate McLouth; plus respectable major-leaguers Bill Hall, J. C. Romero, and Pat Neshek.
One of the reason the Rockies’ brought in Moyer was to mentor their young pitchers. Since it seems that is also the case in Baltimore, break out your “Mo-Yoda” jokes here…Don’t buy Moyer as a pitching version of Yoda? Consider this: When you first saw Yoda, you didn’t picture a two-foot tall, oddly-spoken, cane-wielding, Hobbit-esque creature as the pre-eminent expert on Jedi ass-kicking. Nobody pictured a 49-year old guy with a rebuilt elbow and barely-freeway-speed fastball as a pitching guru. Moyer spent great periods of his career languishing in the “Dagobahs” of the big leagues; Moyer’s moment of lifting the X-wing fighter out of the swamp came in winning the World Series with the Phillies.
Not to mention we all know Moyer is going to live to be 900 years old. As Yoda would say, “To answer power with power, the Jedi way this is not.” Who else would say that but a guy whose racked up over 2,400 career strikeouts with a “fastball” that barely breaks 75 mph?
Your Jamie Moyer fact: Saturday night will be Moyer’s first minor-league game since a 1997 rehab assignment for Tacoma in the Seattle chain and his first real minor-league assignment since going 6-0 in eight starts for Rochester in 1993.
The feel-good story of the 2012 baseball season appears to be over, and for all the new ground Jamie Moyer broke in his quest fighting Father Time, ironically what may be the end of the road set yet another milestone, On Wednesday, Moyer became the oldest player to be designated for assignment.
We here at Dubsism have been following Jamie Moyer since before his nearly-miraculous recovery from Tommy John surgery at age 49; we’ve been trumpeting the Moyer story for two years now, when Moyer was still an effective fifth starter for the Philadelphia Phillies. Check out this graphic from 2010 when there was a point in time when a legitimate case could be made that Moyer was as valuable pitcher as two-time defending Cy Young winner Tim Lincecum.
Even today, the day Moyer was designated for assignment, Moyer’s ERA is 5.70; Lincecum’ s is 6.41.
Over the last few months we’ve watched the “johnny-come-latelies” descend on this story, and why shouldn’t they? It was a fun, if not inspirational story; as a guy closer to 45 than 35, I was pulling for Moyer. It wasn’t just because he’s six years my senior and still pitching in the major leagues. It wasn’t just because Moyer seemed to set a record every time he took the mound. He was the oldest player to record a win. He was the oldest player to drive in a run. He was the oldest player to score a run. Moyer just seemed like a guy who kept going out there because he loves the game.
The trouble is that Moyer had a 5.70 ERA in 10 starts with the Rockies, and he allowed a league-high 75 hits in 53 innings. He also gave up 11 home runs, which would be a lot even by Coors Field standards, but five of them came in his last two starts on the road in Miami and Cincinnati.
It’s not like we didn’t see this coming; our Jamie Moyer Update most previous to this one bore that out. Moyer’s ERA and WHIP were both trending in the wrong direction, and with the Rockies looking to build for the future and looking to get their young pitchers some innings, it was clear Moyer was the odd man out. To replace Moyer in the rotation, the Rockies called up Carlos Torres, a 29-year-old right-hander who had a 2.45 ERA and 32/12 strikeout-to-walk ratio in 33 innings at Colorado Springs.
Rather than bemoaning the probable end, let’s look at what Moyer has accomplished.
Check out how many Hall-of-Famers are listed on that chart. Check out how many Hall-of-Famers Moyer outpaces. Check out this sample of ex-big leaguers with whom Moyer shares his birth year (1962): Oddibe McDowell, Danny Tartabull, Wally Joyner, Kevin Seitzer, Darren Daulton, and Darryl Strawberry. Moyer is 12 days older than Bo Jackson.
OK, enough of pointing out the age thing. The real truth is Moyer was only designated for assignment; he wasn’t executed. Jamie Moyer will land somewhere in baseball again. If the role he snags with another team happens to be on the field, then Your Jamie Moyer Update will continue as you have come to know it. I hope that is the case, if for no other reason the man has been a great source of content for us here at Dubsism. After all, we’ve made a lot of blog hay off Jamie Moyer.
If not, it isn’t hard to picture Moyer as a pitching coach. Now, we just wait to see what the next chapter in the Moyer saga brings.
Unavoidable circumstances prevented the crack staff here at Dubsism from getting an update published after Moyer’s May 21st start in Miami against the Marlins. Moyer had nothing but good things to say about the 50th major league ballpark in which he’s pitched.
Too bad the outcome wasn’t as rosy. Giancarlo Stanton hit a grand slam off Moyer to cap a five-run fourth inning and Austin Kearns tied a career-best with four hits to amrk Moyer’s first appearance in the new Marlins’ park as yet another shell-job for the veteran lefty. The irony is that in his career Moyer was 8-2 in the Marlins’ former home, Sun Life Stadium. In the new park, even being staked to a four-run lead before going to work wasn’t enough as Michael Cuddyer had a two-run double followed by a Troy Tulowitzki two-run homer in the Rockies’ half of the first inning.
Moyer took his fourth loss of the season after serving up 5 earned runs on nine hits in only 3.2 innings of work, a span that saw Moyer struggle dealing over 100 pitches.
The sad part is the story still doesn’t get back to the “feel-good” nature Moyer’s improbable comeback gave us. To be honest, yesterday’s debacle in the sauna formerly known as Great American Ball Park in Cincinnati might be the point we look back to as the “the beginning of the end.”
Sadly, the baseball pablum in the Moyer story is giving way to an undeniable reality; the Rockies pitching staff is imploding, changes need to be made, and Moyer may be the odd man out.
Let’s look at some cold-blooded facts:
- The 1993 Rockies’ starting rotation compiled a team of ERA 7.03 ERA in May (remember Bryn Smith?) This collection of Rockies’ starters are in May 4-12 with a 6.24 ERA, and seems intent on reaching a new low.
- We know Moyer is the all-time leader in home runs allowed (522), but he has allowed 5 bombs in his last 8.2 innings pitched. He’s also allowed 13 earned runs in that same span.
- Yesterday, because Moyer served up four dingers, the Rockies hit five home runs and still lost.
- Conversely, this made Mat Latos became the first pitcher in the nearly 150-year history of the Reds to earn a victory after surrendering five home runs.
Here’s the reality. 46 games into the season, the case can be be made the grand Moyer experiment may be over. It seems the Rockies’ management may be redicent to see that, but in all fairness, they really don’t have any good alternatives at this point.
Jorge De La Rosa has been scripted as the ideal replacement for Moyer, as he would provide the “veteran presence” which has been the bellcow amongst the reasons for keeping Moyer in the rotation. The trouble is that De La Rosa isn’t ready yet; he got touched up for four runs on two home runs in 3.1 innings and 60 pitches in the first outing of his new rehab assignment.
There’s also a legitimate debate as to the readiness of Guillermo Moscoso. He laid a giant, steaming pile in his bombed in his two-start audition this month while filling in for the injured Jeremy Guthrie. This earned Moscoso a bus ticket back to Triple-A where he was told to “be more aggressive in the strike zone.” Since then, he has rung up a 2.45 ERA over his last four outings at Colorado Springs. But, is that a large enough sample size to know for sure?
The other young arm Moyer beat out for the starting job was Tyler Chatwood. But he’s also hurt, working through a triceps injury in Colorado Springs and is only to the point in his rehabilitation where he’s thrown a single simulated game. In other words, he’s farther away than either De La Rosa or Moscoso.
This leaves Drew Pomeranz. But he also struggled in his last start at Triple-A, and the Rockies seem bent on protecting the 23-year-old by keeping him on the farm until they see increased velocity from an improved delivery.
While Moyer may be the last best option in the short term, the Rockies need to address the long term concerns here. I get the fact Moyer has been an inspiration since arriving in Scottsdale for spring training. I defy you to find another outlet on the web which has been trumpeting the Jamie Moyer story for the past two years; since before the year-long absence due to Tommy John surgery, the comeback from which made him the aforementioned inspirational figure.
Having been on the Moyer story for the past two years, I can tell you with almost absolute certainty that if Moyer were the fifth starter on a good team, as he was during his Championship run with the Phillies, that good team would keep trotting him out there. After all, he’s the fifth starter.
But the Rockies aren’t a good team. Despite that, there’s also no question Moyer has done everything the Rockies have asked of him. But at this point, the Rockies need to do something before the situation gets desparate. The Rockies went 2-4 on the road trip while scoring 5.3 runs per game, and they have lost a league-worst 18 of 24 games in May despite scoring an average of 4.6 runs per game. The line-up is young and full of talent, yet there is also no question this abysmal pitching staff is wearing it out.
Here’s another hard reality. At this point, the Rockies need to be less about stop-gaps or last best options. They need to be about building toward the future; about building on pitchers who spell 2013 and beyond. Throughout his comeback, Moyer never wanted to be considered a novelty. He returned based solely on his love for the competition. Moyer may very well be invaluable to a young staff needing verteran guidance, but that’s what a good pitching coach does.
In a host of ways, Moyer is a welcome reminder of the past, of “old-school” baseball. To be honest, this run of his has been nothing short of heroic to a guy who is writing about a man six years his senior remaining as an effective major league pitcher. But the Rockies need to focus on those who can build their future, and as much as it pains me to say this, Moyer as a starting pitcher is not in that group.
After three straight shaky starts, Jamie Moyer got mad and took it out on the Arizona Diamondbacks at the plate and in the field.
Not only did Moyer pitch a crisp six-plus innings giving up only one earned run and striking out five, Moyer brought the lumber driving in two runs. Those two runs would be all the Rockies would need to get Moyer his 269th career win; pushing him past yet another Hall of Famer (Jim Palmer).
In the fourth inning, he dribbled a 2-2 fastball in between pitcher Patrick Corbin and first baseman Paul Goldschmidt, who fielded the ball and futilely lunged at the old-timer lumbering down the line. That scored Jordan Pacheco from third, and he was quickly followed by Dexter Fowler, scoring all the way from second base on the 80-foot single. Who needs to double off the wall when a little roller will do?
This leads us to today’s Jamie Moyer Fact:
Moyer has 2 RBI in 11 at bats for an RBI-to-At Bat ratio of 0.18. Albert Pujols has 17 RBI in 150 at bats or an RBI-to-At Bat ratio of .11. Moyer is clearly your better bet to knock in a clutch run.